Load pour 338 Lapua et RL-17 ??? Quickload peut-être ?

Pour ta gouverne, en passant, la Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes a Feu Portatives (C.I.P.) avait originelement décrété que la pression maximale de la 338 Lapua magnum était de 470 MPa (68,167 psi) en 2003. Cette norme a été révisée a 420 MPa (60,916 psi) en 2007 par la C.I.P. Quickload utilise la nouvelle norme comme standard (60,916 psi) tandis que plusieurs manuels utilisent encore la norme de 2003 (68,167 psi).

Bon voila, H1000 avec les boulets Scenar 300grs suivi du Scenar 250 grs. En théorie, les "sweet spots" devraient etre a 1.329 milliseconde et 1.415 ms

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 300, Lapua Scenar GB528
Useable Case Capaci: 100.145 grain H2O = 6.502 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.710 inch = 94.23 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 92 83.70 2451 4002 45087 10763 99.7 1.608
-09.0 93 84.63 2478 4089 46649 10837 99.8 1.582
-08.0 94 85.56 2504 4177 48270 10904 99.9 1.558
-07.0 95 86.49 2531 4266 49949 10965 100.0 1.533
-06.0 96 87.42 2557 4355 51693 11019 100.0 1.509
-05.0 97 88.35 2583 4444 53502 11068 100.0 1.486 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 98 89.28 2609 4534 55381 11117 100.0 1.463 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 99 90.21 2635 4625 57331 11165 100.0 1.440 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 91.14 2661 4716 59356 11212 100.0 1.418 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 101 92.07 2686 4807 61461 11258 100.0 1.396 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 102 93.00 2712 4899 63635 11303 100.0 1.375 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 103 93.93 2737 4991 65923 11347 100.0 1.354 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 94.86 2763 5084 68290 11390 100.0 1.334 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 105 95.79 2788 5178 70752 11432 100.0 1.313 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 96.72 2813 5272 73311 11473 100.0 1.293 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 107 97.65 2838 5367 75966 11512 100.0 1.274 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 250, Lapua Scenar GB488 8017
Useable Case Capaci: 101.939 grain H2O = 6.619 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.632 inch = 92.25 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 94 87.75 2627 3831 43110 10981 98.1 1.513
-09.0 95 88.73 2658 3921 44640 11083 98.4 1.488
-08.0 96 89.70 2688 4012 46228 11180 98.7 1.464
-07.0 98 90.68 2719 4104 47880 11271 99.0 1.440
-06.0 99 91.65 2749 4196 49596 11354 99.3 1.417
-05.0 100 92.63 2780 4290 51378 11432 99.5 1.394
-04.0 101 93.60 2810 4384 53238 11502 99.7 1.371 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 102 94.58 2841 4479 55168 11565 99.8 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 95.55 2871 4575 57179 11621 99.9 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 104 96.53 2901 4672 59271 11669 100.0 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 97.50 2931 4769 61451 11710 100.0 1.285 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 106 98.48 2961 4867 63724 11745 100.0 1.265 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 99.45 2991 4965 66092 11778 100.0 1.244 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 108 100.43 3020 5064 68563 11810 100.0 1.225 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 101.40 3050 5163 71141 11841 100.0 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 110 102.38 3079 5263 73830 11871 100.0 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!


Voiçi ce que ça donne avec Retumbo:

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 300, Lapua Scenar GB528
Useable Case Capaci: 100.141 grain H2O = 6.502 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.710 inch = 94.23 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 94 86.85 2476 4084 43619 11080 100.0 1.639
-09.0 95 87.82 2502 4170 45144 11141 100.0 1.613
-08.0 96 88.78 2528 4257 46728 11200 100.0 1.588
-07.0 97 89.75 2554 4345 48371 11258 100.0 1.563
-06.0 98 90.71 2580 4433 50077 11316 100.0 1.538
-05.0 99 91.68 2605 4521 51847 11373 100.0 1.514 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 100 92.64 2631 4610 53687 11428 100.0 1.490 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 101 93.61 2656 4699 55596 11483 100.0 1.467 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 102 94.57 2681 4789 57581 11537 100.0 1.445 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 103 95.54 2707 4880 59644 11590 100.0 1.422 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 96.50 2732 4971 61787 11642 100.0 1.401 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 105 97.47 2757 5062 64017 11693 100.0 1.379 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 106 98.43 2782 5154 66337 11743 100.0 1.358 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 107 99.40 2806 5247 68752 11792 100.0 1.337 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 100.36 2831 5340 71262 11839 100.0 1.317 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 109 101.33 2856 5434 73863 11886 100.0 1.297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 250, Lapua Scenar GB488 8017
Useable Case Capaci: 101.939 grain H2O = 6.619 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.632 inch = 92.25 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 98 92.25 2687 4009 43035 11602 99.9 1.519
-09.0 99 93.28 2718 4102 44594 11663 100.0 1.494
-08.0 100 94.30 2749 4196 46214 11716 100.0 1.469
-07.0 101 95.33 2780 4290 47902 11766 100.0 1.445
-06.0 102 96.35 2810 4384 49655 11814 100.0 1.421
-05.0 103 97.38 2841 4479 51482 11862 100.0 1.398
-04.0 104 98.40 2871 4574 53372 11909 100.0 1.375 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 105 99.43 2901 4670 55361 11955 100.0 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 100.45 2930 4767 57423 11999 100.0 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 107 101.48 2960 4864 59573 12043 100.0 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 102.50 2990 4961 61814 12085 100.0 1.287 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 110 103.53 3019 5059 64152 12127 100.0 1.266 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 111 104.55 3048 5158 66589 12167 100.0 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 112 105.58 3077 5257 69134 12205 100.0 1.225 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 106.60 3107 5357 71792 12243 100.0 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 114 107.63 3136 5458 74571 12279 100.0 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

ouin t`arrive plus haut que x-reload ma fais

et en passant merci pour les info j`ai la meme carabine un gros merci

lacloche a écrit:

ouin t`arrive plus haut que x-reload ma fais

Oui, mais n'oublie pas que j'ai pris les paramètres exacts fournis par 300SaUltraMag, sinon j'aurais eu les memes résultats que X-reload.

Voiçi une simaltion QL avec les poudres les plus performantes dans la 338LM avec des boulets Scenar 250grs et 300grs. La norme C.I.P. 2007 (pression max de 60916 psi) a été choisie pour cette simulation. J'ai aussi choisi un minimum de 90% a un maximum de 106% du volume interne.

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 250, Lapua Scenar GB488 8017
Useable Case Capaci: 101.939 grain H2O = 6.619 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.632 inch = 92.25 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 60916 psi, or 420 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 106 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

86 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 104.3 103.4 6.70 3017 98.4 60916 13885 1.302 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2218 106.0 106.1 6.88 2956 97.9 55969 13986 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 98.0 98.6 6.39 2947 100.0 60916 12136 1.303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2 103.3 97.1 6.29 2947 100.0 60916 12331 1.318 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517 98.4 98.7 6.40 2946 100.0 60916 12126 1.303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 12 98.2 98.5 6.38 2945 100.0 60916 12095 1.303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 95.4 91.6 5.94 2944 99.8 60916 12393 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 95.8 95.7 6.20 2940 99.3 60916 12579 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 99.8 91.1 5.90 2933 99.9 60916 11971 1.297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 94.4 91.1 5.90 2933 99.9 60916 11971 1.297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 93.6 91.8 5.95 2933 100.0 60916 11856 1.316 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25 101.1 94.5 6.12 2929 100.0 60916 11414 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214 99.5 97.1 6.29 2926 100.0 60916 11734 1.290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H1000 104.7 97.3 6.30 2924 100.0 60916 11701 1.290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 95.5 90.8 5.88 2923 99.9 60916 11906 1.293 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo 106.0 100.2 6.49 2922 100.0 56815 11987 1.336 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 95.7 90.9 5.89 2914 100.0 60916 11778 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15 95.7 90.9 5.89 2914 100.0 60916 11778 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 95.7 90.9 5.89 2914 100.0 60916 11778 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR 98.3 91.4 5.92 2914 100.0 60916 11805 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905 97.1 90.5 5.87 2892 99.8 60916 11659 1.312 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 24N41 106.0 106.1 6.88 2881 93.1 58827 12598 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 92.6 86.5 5.61 2879 100.0 60916 11216 1.300 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 93.0 87.4 5.66 2876 100.0 60916 11265 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 93.7 88.1 5.71 2870 100.0 60916 11192 1.308 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 98.2 89.7 5.81 2863 99.7 60916 11304 1.305 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 94.4 89.7 5.81 2863 99.7 60916 11304 1.305 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 91.3 85.8 5.56 2857 100.0 60916 11015 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 91.3 85.8 5.56 2857 100.0 60916 11015 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350 90.8 81.7 5.29 2849 100.0 60916 10600 1.311 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H870 106.0 102.9 6.67 2847 98.2 51414 12986 1.411
Lovex-D1001 104.5 105.6 6.85 2839 94.1 60916 11736 1.315 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 93.1 88.5 5.73 2837 100.0 60916 10696 1.330 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904 92.2 85.4 5.54 2835 99.9 60916 10843 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 92.0 91.2 5.91 2834 100.0 60916 10752 1.316 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N165 98.2 91.3 5.91 2824 100.0 60916 10487 1.321 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 300, Lapua Scenar GB528
Useable Case Capaci: 100.141 grain H2O = 6.502 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.710 inch = 94.23 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 60916 psi, or 420 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 106 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

98 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218 104.4 102.6 6.65 2813 99.9 60916 13889 1.381 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N570 100.0 97.3 6.30 2774 99.6 60916 13535 1.414 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H870 106.0 101.0 6.55 2748 100.0 60602 12957 1.423 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo 103.6 96.1 6.23 2722 100.0 60916 11622 1.409 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 91.8 90.1 5.84 2698 100.0 60916 12162 1.426 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2 99.0 91.4 5.92 2697 100.0 60916 11826 1.432 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 94.0 92.9 6.02 2697 100.0 60916 11658 1.417 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517 94.3 93.0 6.02 2696 100.0 60916 11649 1.417 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 91.5 86.3 5.59 2696 100.0 60916 11893 1.418 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 24N41 103.1 101.4 6.57 2695 96.1 60916 12728 1.402 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 12 94.2 92.8 6.01 2695 100.0 60916 11619 1.418 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 95.7 85.8 5.56 2684 100.0 60916 11467 1.409 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 90.5 85.8 5.56 2684 100.0 60916 11467 1.409 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214 95.6 91.6 5.94 2682 100.0 60916 11277 1.402 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H1000 100.6 91.8 5.95 2680 100.0 60916 11246 1.402 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 91.7 85.6 5.55 2676 100.0 60916 11429 1.405 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25 96.7 88.8 5.75 2668 100.0 60916 10963 1.423 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR 94.3 86.1 5.58 2665 100.0 60916 11323 1.426 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22 91.8 85.6 5.55 2665 100.0 60916 11296 1.426 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15 91.8 85.6 5.55 2665 100.0 60916 11296 1.426 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 91.8 85.6 5.55 2665 100.0 60916 11296 1.426 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905 93.2 85.4 5.53 2649 100.0 60916 11204 1.423 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N170 103.5 94.5 6.12 2637 98.7 60916 11719 1.434 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex-D1001 100.8 100.2 6.49 2626 96.5 60916 11723 1.423 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 90.0 83.1 5.39 2625 100.0 60916 10744 1.419 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 94.5 84.8 5.49 2625 100.0 60916 10902 1.415 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 90.8 84.8 5.49 2625 100.0 60916 10902 1.415 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

ouin la tu ma perdu avec les dernier info lol
c toute les load dangerous dans toute les sorte de poudre ?

lacloche a écrit:

ouin la tu ma perdu avec les dernier info lol
c toute les load dangerous dans toute les sorte de poudre ?

Le programme QL inscrit "dangerous load" aussitot qu'on s'approche de la pression maximale de 60916 psi. Il faut toujours procéder avec précaution en commencant de 7% a 10% de moins que la pression max. Après chaque coup tu vérifies pour les signes de pression et tu ne vas pas plus lorsqu'ils sont présents.

ok je viens de comparer les quickload de x-reload et toi la différence est useable case capacity il ne m`avais pas demander cette donnée et toi ta marquer 101 et 300ultramag il t`avais pas dit 117 ?

lacloche a écrit:

ok je viens de comparer les quickload de x-reload et toi la différence est useable case capacity il ne m`avais pas demander cette donnée et toi ta marquer 101 et 300ultramag il t`avais pas dit 117 ?

Non j'ai bel et bien marqué 117.09 grs, mais le programme QL a réajusté a 101 grs, en tenant compte de l'espace occupé par le boulet dans le collet de la douille avec le OAL que 300SaUltraMag m'a fourni. Assez sophistiqué n'est-ce pas.

super ce programme ma l`acheter mais 145$

Bonsoir ou Bonjour a tous

Demain matin je vais faire du reload en. 338 lapua mag. Boulet 300gr. lap,scenar
powder Hodgdon,retumbo croyez vous que 91.68gr? Serais un bon depart?

Utiliser avec une Barrett. 338LM. Twist 1/10 canon 27"

Revenez moi au plus vite car demain le grand jour
Merci a tous! !!